New Husky Mum: A Siberian Husky dog with papers, does it mean Quality?
Can a badly bred Siberian Husky dog have papers? Who should be on the papers when printed AKC or CKC (Continental)? What should I be looking for in the papers?
Trying to gather info on papers before I buy a Sibe pup. Thanks for your help.
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Answer by Basset is BACK!
Yes, a badly bred dog can have AKC papers. All the papers mean is that both the parents were registered, it doesn't mean they were breeding quality.
If you want a good quality dog, go through the Siberian Husky Club of America
Answer by miaugh
Avoid Continental KC- the "papers" aren't even good enough for toilet paper. Being papered with a kennel club only means the dog has registered purebred parents, but that does not in any way *always* mean quality. Even puppy millers can get AKC papers for their puppies.
Answer by abbyful_j
Papers don't guarantee quality. All they mean is that the dog is purebred and both its parents were registered with the registry.
AKC is a legitimate registry.
CKC (Continental Kennel Club) is a scam registry.
While papers don't guarantee the quality, the absence of papers from a reputable registry (like the AKC) is a huge red-flag that the breeder is a bad breeder. All reputable breeders will have their dogs registered.
Answer by SG Brittanys
Papers simply mean that the parents and litter have been registered with a kennel club, say the American Kennel Club (CKC is hardly a registry; if the breeder is only registered with the CKC, walk away). Papers do NOT equal quality. For example, all of our dogs are registered with the AKC, and 3 of them are champions, meaning that they have been shown and have been awarded with the championship title, acknowledging the fact that they are an excellent example of their breed.
A dog can be registered and have never stepped into the show ring in its life, never had any health tests done, and simply slapped together with another dog to make some cute puppies. You should ask the breeder about health tests done on the parents, what shows they have been in and what awards or titles they hold, etc. Papers do NOT equal quality, though they are a small step in the right direction.
Answer by Golden patrol[e.c.c]
well before when breeding used to be an honest practice, when people actually bred to better the breed itself, papers meant a lot. now you have these idiots breeding teacup pieces of sh*t that the kennel clubs still accept. the clubs have truly ruined many breeds mostly the toy ones. and any dog can be badly horribly milled or backyard bred even though still accepted by the AKC or CKC. all the papers really mean is that the dog's parents were purebred.
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Answer by Jennifer T
No, no papers ever prove quality. However, there is NO chance of getting a decent pup from a ConKC registered litter. They will register anything and everything if the check or plastic clears. With the AKC, at least it will only register dogs that have been purebred and registered for many generations.
What you really need to look for is a breeder who has papers proving the pup's parents were tested by reliable organizations like OFA, CERF, VetGen, and others that prove the parents have no genetic faults to pass on to pups. Look for a pedigree that has many champions in the first three lines from the left to right. Champions that are further away from the pup than great grandparents contribute little to the pup itself. The parents should be being shown or worked to prove quality.
The other paper to look at is the breeder's contract. It should say that they will take the pup back at any time for any reason, and it should insist you spay/neuter your pup unless you are showing it. You should also have to have your home checked out by the breeder if the breeder is at all reputable.
These are hallmarks of a responsible breeder, and the best pups come from them.
And papers NEVER mean quality, quality status comes from the show ring and subsequent winnings!!!!
A badly bred dog can have papers, easily!!! Pet quality bred with pet quality can make some pretty badly bred pups!!!
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Comments ( 3 )
jessica b says
papers these days mean absolutely nothing most are hung any ways. you want a good dog go to a legit kennel do some good research on breeders first ckc is a joke. akc or ukc are good but again they could be phoney so do research on reputable breeders find some kennels for that specific breed you are looking for and compare and contrast that is the best way to do it and i think that should be the only way to do it!
No, it does not mean quality. Badly bred dogs can be registered with papers. Puppy mill puppies can also have papers and be registered with AKC (or any other registry). AKC (American Kennel Club) is probably the most popular and the most respected (in the USA), closely followed by the UKC (United Kennel Club). Many of the other registries out there are not very respected. But they are all just registries for the paperwork and do not insure responsible breeders.
The papers themselves don’t tell you a whole lot. They will give the date of birth, parents names, breeder, etc. The pedigree is more important as it tells you about the puppy’s background. If you don’t know the dogs behind them, it won’t be too helpful, but if you see a lot of titled dogs, it can be a little help with the dogs temperament and conformation (quality).
But the MOST important part is that you find a reputable breeder. Things to look for in a responsible breeder include one who does proper testing of both parents. The proper tests vary from breed to breed, but in Siberian’s I imagine hips and eyes are big ones. Temperament testing is another one I feel is important.
Things to look for include clean and well socialized dogs and puppies. Also, a health guarantee that you are comfortable with. Don’t be afraid to ask for references. Dogs should be bred according to their breed’s standard. Ask a breeder what the breed standard is to see if they know their breed well. You can find any breed’s standard on http://www.akc.org For me personally, I feel that a breeder should be working with their dogs in some aspect and not just churning out puppies. Showing them in conformation, and/or obedience or other trials are important to me.
I hope this helps!
On the registration papers You will have the Dam and the Sire printed on the paper as well as the breeder. The registration is a symbol of quality pure bred dogs reconized in the group. registered pups have ability to perforn in show sagility etc.
I have a Siberian husky myself. I gotten him neutered as everyone should with their animals. But the reason why i bought a reg dog is to reassure myself thar i have a pure bred. not an inbred nor cross breed. I also show him and hes an agility champion. You pretty much cant get much from reqading the papers. You are to ask the breeder for a tree chart from the dogs its also ana option through registration.