MontrealKid: Help with Dog breeder information.?
My DF and I would like to get a new puppy. We would like a Schnoodle. I found a breeder online but have no idea if they are good or not. They have scheduled an appointment for us to visit their kennel. What signs could indicate a good or bad Schnoodle breeder?
I am completely new at this so can someone explain why a cross-breed is not good and why reputable breeders should not cross-breed?
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Answer by EssJay
AS there is no such recognized breed and as this is a made-up name given to crossbreeds by unscrupulous BYB's and puppy mills, the answer is in the name. No reputable breeder breeds crossbreed and gives them "designer dog names" to sell at over-inflated prices.
If you want a healthy, happy pet, with good temperament and aftercare for life from a reputable breeder, choose a real breed and go to a Kennel Club breeder. If not, there are zillions of poorly bred, puppy mill dogs waiting for new homes in rescues.
Answer by sl_mj1960
I would put an ad in the local paper. I know that's where I found my male Pomchi. I put an ad in the paper looking for a male Pomchi pup. Had 7 calls and went n looked at each litter then decided. I pick him up in 2 weeks. Reputable breeder dogs some have health problems down the road because of inbreeding that don't show up till later on in life so be careful. Puppy mills stay clear of them. Most puppy mills it's illegal to sell to individuals.
You can never do a complete health check on dogs because health problems can show up after pups are sold. A vet will tell you that there's no perfect dog that's safe against genetic or health problems. BTW, my vet said mixed breeds don't have the health problems purebred do. He's the one that said try breeding my small Pom with a Pomchi because of her size. All vets arent against mixed breeds because they are better in health than purebred dogs. And you don't have to pay a fortune for the pup. You got all the right to do what you want, there are no contracts.
I once was gonna buy a golden from a so-called reputable breeder but after the rules, I said no thanks because they come n look at where the pups gonna live. They want you to do this n do that. Fence in the yard - before you get the pup, have it fixed.
I said never mind. Got Brandon from a byb n had him 14 yrs. Never had any problems till he was 10 n started getting arthritis. The breeder wanted $ 800, byb wanted $ 350, so I got him cheaper from a byb. One of the best dogs I ever owned.
Answer by Ruby
Well, the first problem is that you're trying to find a "Schnoodle." :)
People that breed these dogs should not be trusted, because no reputable person would ever intentionally cross two breeds. The thing is people who breed dogs do it to improve the breed. "Schnoodle" is not a breed recognized by any kennel club, and they do not have any standards nor can they be registered. Since no breed club endorses cross-breeding, "Schnoodle" breeders are not breeding to improve a breed- they are breeding to make a quick buck.
To be honest with you, this online breeder looks much like a puppy mill. They specialize in too many "breeds" and none of their dogs are OFA/CERF tested. To be a little blunter, none of these dogs have been tested for genetic health problems. The chance of buying a puppy that will remain healthy throughout his life is incredibly low if you're going to go through this person.
Reputable breeds have their dogs tested to IMPROVE the breed(s) they are working with. These people on this website are only breeding to make a quick buck.
Check the shelter for a mix such as this.
If you're looking for a Poodle or a Miniature Schnauzer that somebody had put hard work and love into breeding and raising AND even has a health guarantee, check out American Kennel Club or Canadian Kennel Club.
And find a good breeder near you. :)
Best of luck. I know that was probably a lot to take in, but you seem to have the right attitude, especially because you don't argue that Schnoodles are not a breed!
Answer by Maria L
Stay away from puppy mills, they usually have so many different breeds, they could be brokers.
A breeder shouldn't have more then let's say 10 to 12 puppies at a time, meaning 1 to 3 moms. Mom and dad of the pup should be on site.
It's not good when they have mixed breeds.
Some would argue that not all breeders have dad on-site, you won't know what dad looks like, but a place like that, they would lie.
Answer by science chick
NO good breeders breed mixes, which is what a "Schnoodle" is. They are really Schnauzer Poodle mixes, and since they are unpredictable there is NO reason to pay a breeder for one.
You can find plenty of wonderful pets in shelters, mixes, designer mixes, and purebreds.
Crossbreeds are fine pets, but there are tons of them dying in shelters. Good breeders breed to a standard and have some way of evaluating that standard such as conformation shows or working the dogs. They also do a health screening, which is more than vet checks.
When you mix two breeds or when you don't pay attention to the standard, the dogs are unpredictable and potentially unhealthy. If you do not have very specific needs, going to a shelter is a great option because you can evaluate each individual dog based on your needs. Just don't put money into bad breeders' hands, it continues these poor practices!
Go to http://www.akc.org for information on breed standards and to find breed clubs if you are interested in buying or breed-specific rescue.
Go to http://www.petfinder.com to find shelters in your area and some of the dogs available.
Answer by Maureen M
There is no such thing as a reputable mutt breeder. These new "designer" breeds are simply a source of income for back yard breeders that are cashing in on a dog fashion trend.
Go to a shelter or rescue and adopt a dog that needs a home. Don't add to the problem by paying for a dog from a puppy mill.
Answer by moondog
Ethical registered breeders don't breed crossbreed dogs. If you want a Poodle crossed with a Schnauzer you can only buy from a backyard breeder so there will be no health guarantee. Basically, once they take your money and you take the puppy that's all there is to the deal.
You might try the pounds and shelters. There are plenty of Poodles crossed with everything there.
I feel sorry for the code of ethics Poodle breeders. They must be very upset to see their breed crossed with just about every other small and medium breed of dog.
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Comments ( 2 )
Pamela D(midget12_ says
Any breeder that has that many different types of dogs in his/her kennel is no more than a puppy mill/farm. You will pay a large amount of money and get a sickly puppy.
Either adopt from a shelter or fid a really good breeder that has one or two at most breeds of dog. Ask to see breeders license, and health certificates for the dogs look over parents and puppies well, and if you can’t decide right away ask if you can come back. Take your time.
As most people have said no reputable breeders breed crosses – basically a good breeder is doing it to improve the breed and as a cross is not a breed they just do not do it. Cross breeders are basically out to make money from dogs which they see basically as live stock.
Now I would go along to your local shelter or even have a look for doodle rescues – there are many out there as people who expect a non shedding dog or one that doesnt end up exactly how they want it soon get rid.
Schnauzer are lovely but again do your research – try looking for breed clubs either in your area or nationally who can guide you in the right direction for good breeders.
Take your time, do research on the breed, see what you can offer the dog and make sure any breeders do all the health checks and get a good raport with the breeder. Good luck