MontrealKid: Help with Dog breeder information.?
Hi. My DF and I would like to get a new puppy. We would like a Schnoodle and have had trouble finding breeders in the Montreal, Quebec area. I found a breeder online but have no idea if they are good or not. They have scheduled an appointment for us to visit their kennel. Here is their website: http://www.oranch.qc.ca/en/index.asp
Are there any signs I should look for while I am there this week-end? What signs could indicate a good breeder or bad breeder? Does anyone know of any other reputable breeders in my area? Any help is appreciated.
Sorry I am completely new at this but can someone explain the reason why a cross-breed is not good and why reputable breeders should not cross-breed? I am also interested in a Schnauzer so I guess I am better off looking for a breeder which has Schnauzers right? Thanks for your help.
Answers and Views:
Answer by EssJay
AS there is no such recognised breed and as this is a made-up name given to crossbreeds by unscrupulous BYB's and puppy mills, the answer is in the name. No reputable breeder breeds crossbreed and gives them "designer dog names" to sell at over-inflated prices.
If you want a healthy, happy pet, with good temperament and aftercare for life from a reputable breeder, choose a real breed and go to a Kennel Club breeder. If not. there are zillions of poorly bred, puppy mill dogs waiting for new homes in rescues. #
ADDED: Thanks for listening to the sound advice you are being given. Although not in Canada, the link below mayu help you understand the difference in a reputable breeder and a puppy mill. There are other useful information documents on this site also. Good luck.
Answer by Ruby
Well, the first problem is that you're trying to find a "Schnoodle." :)
People that breed these dogs should not be trusted, because no reputable person would ever intentionally cross two breeds. The thing is, people who breed dogs do it to improve the breed. "Schoodle" is not a breed recognized by any kennel club, and they do not have any standards nor can they be registered. Since no breed club endorses cross-breeding, "Schnoodle" breeders are not breeding to improve a breed- they are breeding to make a quick buck.
To be honest with you, this breeder looks much like a puppy mill. They specialize in too many "breeds" and none of their dogs are OFA/CERF tested. To be a little more blunt, none of these dogs have be tested for genetic health problems. The chance of buying a puppy that will remain healthy throughout his life is incredibly low if you're going to go through this person.
Reputable breeds have their dogs tested to IMPROVE the breed(s) they are working with. These people on this website are only breeding to make a quick buck.
Check the shelter for a mix such as this.
If you're looking for a Poodle or a Miniature Schnauzer that somebody had put hard work and love into breeding and raising AND even has a health guarantee, check out
And find a good breeder near you. :)
Best of luck. I know that was probably a lot to take in, but you seem to have the right attitude, especially because you did not explode at anybody for telling you that Schnoodles are not a breed!
Answer by Melody
hi the website seems good but i cant figure out if it is a normal dog breeding buisness or a puppy mill look up puppy mill if u do not no what it means. either way its good
Answer by Maria L
puppy mill,stay a way
they have so many different breeds,,they could be brokers,stay away
a breeder shouldn't have moe then lets say 10 to 12 puppies at a time,meaning 1 to 3 moms,if they say ,socialized,how can they be if these pups are in kennels aways from owners
and you know if not good when they have mixed breeds
Mom and dad of pup should be on site
some would argue that not all breeders have dad on site,you won't know what dad looks like,but a place like that,they would lie
Answer by science chick
NO good breeders breed mixes, which is what a "schnoodle" is. They are really Schnauzer Poodle mixes, and since they are unpredictable there is NO reason to pay a breeder for one.
You can find plenty of wonderful pets in shelters, mixes, designer mixes, and purbreds: http://www.petfinder.com
ADD: Cross breeds are fine pets, but there are tons of them dying in shelters. Good breeders breed to a standard, and have some way of evaluating that standard such as conformation shows or working the dogs. They also do health screening, which is more than vet checks.
When you mix two breed or when you don't pay attention tot he standard, the dogs are unpredictable and potentially unhealthy. If you do not have very specific needs, going to a shelter is a great option because you can evalute each individual dog based on your needs. Just don't put money into bad breeders hands, it continues these poor practices!
Go to http://www.akc.org for information on breed standards and to find breed clubs if you are interested in buying or breed specific rescue.
Go to http://www.petfinder.com to find shelters in your area and some of the dogs available.
Answer by Maureen M
There is no such thing as a reputable mutt breeder. These new "designer" breeds are simply a source of income for back yard breeders that are cashing in on a dog fashion trend.
Go to a shelter or rescue and adopt a dog that needs a home. The "breeder" that you posted the site for is simply a puppy mill sale site. Don't add to the problem by paying for a dog from a mill.
Answer by moondog
Ethical registered breeders don't breed cross bred dogs. If you want a Poodle crossed with a Schnauzer you can only buy from a back yard breeder so there will be no health guarantee. Basically once they take your money and you take the puppy that's all there is to the deal.
You might try the pounds and shelters. There are plenty of Poodles crossed with everything there.
I feel sorry for the code of ethics Poodle breeders. They must be very upset to see their breed crossed with just about every other small and medium breed of dog.
Read other answers in the comments.
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